Does it not do that already ? Is this to do with the moving around quads first issue?

Most of the other stuff is civilian governement related. That covers all money generated from planets infrastructure etc.

Do we still want these - they would not be difficult to set up.

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Its on the list for combat changes

Personally I cant wait for this to come, but I would have thought its all tied up in the infrastructure/civilian government changes (given how its a way of interacting with the locals).

As Nik mentioned, I would like the Resource reporting to give more information - yield per complex, drop, stocks left and the change for that week (or something to tell exploitation levels).

I would also like Scientists to show differently - their speciality and bonus to appear on the starbase report and for the Scientist themselves to not appear in the ground combat listing (as mine currently do)...last thing I want is for them to be out on the front line

Mark

I think so. I don't have any exact examples at work, but I know that if I move from Cyprus, Venice to Chickamauga, Yank then one way uses fewer TUs than the other way. I presume this is because the program doesn't check if you're starting in orbital 15 and ending in orbital 1 for example.

Depends on what the planetary infrastructure will be like, but I'm not sure of the usefullness to be honest.

Nik

This happens when in one direction the route is shorter in overall jump distance but longer in number of jumps. There are a few systems where due to the jump distance, the shortest route is not always taken as the ship will attempt a Jump 2, Jump 4, Jump 1 instead of Jump 4, Jump 4. The Acropolis - Titan route in an example.

It looks like that the computer doesn't check where you end in the system.
It first should check where the planet/starbase is located and move accordingly.
An Gamma15 to Beta1 should just take as much time as an Beta1 to Gamma15 route.

At this moment it moves first from Beta1 to Beta10 jump, moves from Beta10 to Gamma15 and continues its tracks.

Check your merchandising capacity instead. Thats mentioned on your printout.. Much easier.

That doesn't tell you what demand is left just how much you *can* sell. If you always sell to your capacity I'd imagine most starbases will oversell (mine will anyway). I have almost twice as much capacity as demand.

You still have to work things out, and it doesn't tell you anything about trade, drugs or life demand.

And if there are multiple bases on the planet, looking at your merc limit tells will not tell you how much is left to sell to the planet.

Mark

Thats why its a bad idea, to give out infomation about the available merchandising.
This is not information that *you* should have access to. Its different with resources as you can see it changing.

If you want to have information about available merchandising then you should get an agent on the other starbases keeping track whats happening

We once had a detailed account of how a starbase could improve the planet economy. It was solid, it was perfect except for one tiny little flaw - it was also bollox It was too tied to increasing wealth generated from a planet and if implemented would have destroyed the game in a couple of years.

We have spent the last few months hammering through new ideas that model the development of the world from first colonisation through peak outside merchandising and ending with stable economy driven by a civilian government.

Starbases then perform the role as colonisation co-ordinators, then merchandisers and finally importers and starports for emigration.

The world starts as receptacle for colonists, then forms its own government and finally places demands on the starports in order to service its own ends.

---- all this of course is in principle. There is still a lot of thrashing of the ideas.

Which reminds me, we could do with a pubmeet in November at the Sutton Park. Beer, beer, beer and Phoenix.

Basically when the combat changes are finished, i will do a very basic political access to the via online so that we can access new ppl more easily, deal with a few political issues and then get onto working out/codeing the civ governements (which includes infrastructure).

Sounds good to me - the Blackpool meets have been sorely missed (at least by me )

Dan

I Think i have this done.

There are real problems doing this since the route is stepped, so any 'avoidance' i implement might loop. I can easily error if you are going to move to a location that has been 'barred' but i'm not sure about manging the avoidance.

That's a good idea. It would enable people to still use the Move To orders without having to manually check the routes, and will prevent 'accidents' from happening.
If you put it on your Avoid list, it'll automatically stop your turn if the next move-step will breach those conditions.
You can then manually go around or whatever.

Stopping the turn with an error would be plenty since it would avoid mistakes. I am starting to wonder whether the idea was a good one, however. For example if you purposely wanted to enter a barred location to for example deliver an agent or attack any positions located there, then what happens? You would need some flag though to override this check for ships or would you take this location off your barred list? May still get messy.

Nik

Its messy but i can hide it unless its used so it was less upsetting. Basically it requires 3 new orders.
[1] Add restriction
[2] Remove restriction
[3] Active Restrcitons or ignore restrictions

Now 1/2 of me says that the first 2 should be political orders but the info is still going to have to be added to every ship (you can not go loading a political every time you move a ship), which is messy again, hence why its not a perfect idea to have it as a political order.

There is another way of dealing with this. Add restrictions to a system, attached to an affiliation. You could then have a list of restrictions that you listen to on your ship? By default these could all be off, but when you knew that you were friednly with say DTR you could add the 'Abide by DTR restricions'. Most warships/covert ships would never use this so they would not get stopped accidently....

So the system owner's chosen restrictions would be set within game data and then everybody can choose whether or not to abide by them? If this can be done at some point it seems a far easier way to code in the idea

Dan

Yup but not the system owner - any aff. Then it can be used for any system.
ie you would have an order to restrict a location for affiliations and an order to abide by aff X restrictions.

They system owner issue needs to be addressed with the civ governments things i think.