Andy
	Hi Some clarification please : If you have a system on your political and it is set as AFF data. You then jump into that system. The data remains as AFF only and not AFF / Pol. This means I cannot transfer knowledge of the system to anyone else even though I've been in the system. Is this right? I'm assuming the reasoning is that the AFF gives you a one use route into and out of the system but not the full astronavigational data? Andy
Mica Goldstone
	A jump is conducted through subspace. This region of space can be considered to be similar to an ocean. There are currents, eddies and various other phenomena. Knowledge of a system is actually knowledge of all these subspace phenomena and the ability to compensate through the use of derived empirical formulas for any changes in these phenonema, i.e. it is an ever changing map based on current location, stellar activity, fluctuations in the ISR fields and many other factors. Jumping it most definitely not a case of fixing the target star with a big X and pressing JUMP. Affiliation knowledge therefore presumes that the ship's captain sends via subspace all the necessary data to the affiliation and they calculate exactly where to put the X before pressing JUMP This also explains why jump links can be lost even though they have been used for decades. If these 'maps' of the subspace between two stars are not regularly updated (presumed that each jump produced feedback that is used to update the map), over the course of a few years the map will be useless and stellar cartography will have to be conducted again.
Mica Goldstone
	Further clarifying the point, as the affiliation makes all calculations in the case where the system is only listed as affiliation knowledge, jumping to the system does not grant the political position knowledge of the system. Sure, they will know the general route, i.e. which system they jumped from, but not the empirical formulas in order to recreate the jump into the restricted system. This means that should a player leave an affiliation while having a ship in a restricted system which is only connected to other restricted systems, the knowledge of which is only at affiliation level, the ship will be effectively trapped.
Andy
	So only the politicals with the correct authorisation can transfer this AFF data?
Clay
	QUOTE So only the politicals with the correct authorisation can transfer this AFF data? I would assume that whoever originally found a new system would have it as their personal data, which is then transfered to the aff, and to specific players politicals. I would think (and hope) that this way people can be given the specific data, rather than relying on affiliation cenral stores. Otherwise it would not be possible for the CIA to allow IMP access to their newly discovered system.
Andy
	QUOTE (Clay @ Oct 2 2003, 12:02 PM) QUOTE So only the politicals with the correct authorisation can transfer this AFF data? I would assume that whoever originally found a new system would have it as their personal data, which is then transfered to the aff, and to specific players politicals. I would think (and hope) that this way people can be given the specific data, rather than relying on affiliation cenral stores. Otherwise it would not be possible for the CIA to allow IMP access to their newly discovered system. Yeah this is the case. But what about AFF data from chaneover between BSE and Phoenix. If the DTR wanted to trasnfer the Abyss data to the IMP, who would do that - the PD?
Nik
	Surely someone has to have the data at POL level otherwise how can the info be transferred to another affiliaiton? Is it automatically set to AFF tech when the research is done? What happens if you do not want it set to AFF level, and only want it to POL level with certain politicals knowing. This does not appear to be possible. Any person in the aff with a political would know of such and such a system which the affiliation in question may want to keep secret. Since everyone knows of the system, then it is only a matter of time attempting jumps from all systems that the new systems location is known. Whilst this info cannot be directly passed on, it gives explicit instructions where to look to research the system etc. If an additional political level was possible then this would not be such a problem. Nik
Andy
	My understanding now is that when a new system is researched it gets put as POL data of the political that researched it. Thus it can be transfered to another POL or to AFF. I imagine a simple call / special action to Mica will give you the POL data as well for the DTR systems. I agree an additional level of "AFF" data is needed where only trusted politicals are allowed access to. Andy
finalstryke
	*wonders who's gonna walk away from this year's Phoenix Awards carring the trophy for 'Most Paranoid Aff' ?
Sam_Toridan
	Well there are some of us who have chosen paranoia as a lifestyle
Lord Scrimm
	QUOTE (finalstryke @ Oct 3 2003, 07:59 AM) *wonders who's gonna walk away from this year's Phoenix Awards carring the trophy for 'Most Paranoid Aff' ? I propose the DTR! <G> keeps the attention away from us... Rich Fanning aka Lord Lawrence Scrimm CIA Intelligence Director