Very sensible.

At the moment ships are being gutted but with little hull damage - this would definitely prolong the combat and make it much more gritty....

Mica only mentioned that as I've just spoken to him on the phone(about something else)and mentioned one of my ships in the Straddle battle has hardly any hull damage but is totally empty.All the internal items and crew are gone!!!

I'm probably being dense and missing something obvious, but how would a resupply of ammo help this gutted ship?

You'd re-install a jump engine mid-battle and then EJ to try and save the hulls?

Or constrain the resupplied ship to the speed of the supply ship.

another good response from the BHD there, that makes sense also, and again is a decision that should be taken by commanders in the field.

Aaai..

I was not aware of this change.

One clarification please. 1) is this already like this??

Imagine the following situation.
FCN Tradeship, escorted by an FCN Warship. Then pirate large comes along and tries to board my Tradeship (FCN Warship didn't spotted the Pirate). Will my Warship continue to do nothing or will it comes to the rescue??

If it comes to the rescue, and the four rounds of battle are done, will the Pirate continue with its boarding (assuming its pinned) or will it wait untill the ENTIRE battle is resolved?

If you are refering to boarding - yes.

Boarding - if a position is defending the target, the boarding is postponed and a normal batte ensues at the end of the day. If the ship attempting to board is still alive after battle, it will then attempt the boarding action (on the same day). Normal boarding mechanics apply, i.e. the defender still gets to use any of its weapons etc.

It has been this way for a long time.

So the side with fewer ships and lots of engines can compete against a larger fleet with longer supply lines.

Surely these arguments cancel each other out.

im pretty sure Carriers and warship are fixed up on site during all known ship to ship warfare as best as posible to oprate again.

and also ask the question if the ship pinning you has no offensive capability, there is nothing stopping you carrying out the installation of weapons etc, so there would be no risk.

most combat equipment (ground/sea) has certain quantities of components that can be fixed "in battle" if the correct resources are available at the front lines. so patch up isnt out of the question.

Wouldn't a resupply freighter trigger enemy lists etc as soon as it entered the combat OQ?
Even if just in a support role, it's still a combat participant, and would be targetted as such.

what if it cloaked in???? it wouldnt trigger a battle........

everbody is talking as it the delivery ships are freighters, it could be a fellow 100 heavy huller with a bit of cargo and a few spare ISR engines or a jump drive.

and if any of you have been on a resupply from ship to ship in the navy, the actual speed of the vessels swapping stores etc is either not reduced, or reduced a small amount not as drastic as some of you are thinking about, they dont come to a halt.

Yes, but these aren't those kind of ships, and they (naval ships) aren't being "pinned". I would relate it more to aircraft refuelling in flight.

Regardless though, whether you slow down or speed up you have to match speeds at some point.

It could cloak in, but if the TU limit on the cloak expires then they should raise shields asap.

Appreciate that they might be in a 100HH going at similar combat speeds - but even an armoured cargo ship will still get targeted.


Allowing re-supply ships to enter combat zone, do deliveries and then retreat without an equal chance of getting targeted as any other ship would be silly.

That's assuming that one of the enemy ships is free to engage a new target and has that aff on it's enemy lists - if this doesn't happen then freighters are of course free to waltx around as they like

It depends whether or not de-cloaking triggers a scan. I don't know if it does or not.

i appreciate they could be pinned, but please remember individual deliveries have different consequences, there would be no speed loss when being pinned by a vessel that causes you no damage, therefore deliveries would be able to be made no problem.

in the last battle, its like fishing smacks pinning battleships and rendering them useless, when realistically a supply ship would have no problems in running alongside the battleship and supplying it.

it doesnt, nor would a freighter that went in there in the first place, enemy list checking is checked on entry to a quad, once your in, unless you are trying to deliver to an enemy position you would not be stopped for combat. or did something that would make the program check the enemy lists of a position within the quad

I'm not arguing about that (fishing smacks - lol nice choice - and battleships), but that's a consequeence of pinning being currently a bit "broken" in some areas. I was just talking about concepts and generalities (assuming pinning works "right").

But even disregarding pinning, a supply ship must (realistically) match the speed of the receiving ship.

The fishing smacks could refer to either side since we were being held by St Clairs. If it would make you would feel better we can place LPG/PGs instead of tractor beams. Our "fishing smacks" represent a ship that is only 50% of the size of a 100H ship, your "fishing smacks" are 10% of the size (5% if you consider the building costs)

Our pinning tactic works because it is >20x harder to remove a pinning Cluster Picket than a pinning St Clair.

Matching speed makes sense, for ships at least; how that would relate to static positions I don't know (assuming they can be supported the same way)

I also liked the idea of shuttles for the transfer, it seemed a little unlikly two ships will dock in combat.

And as was pointed out gives fighters something more to shoot at

im not sayingn that, im just saying that even if you arm them with light photon guns etc, we should have the choice of risking damage to deliver the items. that is the choice of a commander surely.