Could we have a standard order to convert a restricted trade good into a common one?
The current rules make sense (i.e. a unique good found in a restricted system is a restricted item) but I'd rather not pay £1.50 every time I want to make one common knowledge.
rob
| QUOTE (Rob Alexander @ Jul 14 2003, 09:39 PM) |
| Hi, Could we have a standard order to convert a restricted trade good into a common one? The current rules make sense (i.e. a unique good found in a restricted system is a restricted item) but I'd rather not pay £1.50 every time I want to make one common knowledge. rob |
An order such as that would be useful but who would be able to use it? Anyone who knows the number, anyone who has knowledge of theitem or only a starbase/outpost that is exploiting the resource?
It would be nice if things work the way you suggest for restricted unique items. A resource found in a DEN system with only DEN present now appears to be being bought on the open market so can't be restricted.
I would suggest that anyone who had knowledge of the item should be able to make it unrestricted.
I thought that unique items from restricted systems were automatically restricted knowledge, i.e. people could buy and sell them but couldn't get a tech manual without having the item to hand. I think, personally, that it's best for all items to be common knowledge by default. Trade is fiddly enough as it is without this extra barrier.
Can sometime try to get a tech manual for Mountain Salmon (30384)? They were found in a restricted system, and to the best of my knowledge I'm the only who's got any.
rob
Firstly, I'm only talking about unique (origin-specific) trade goods. I wouldn't want to see any of this extended to Mk2 items and the like.
My point is that its hard to sell a restricted item, since prospective buyers can't just get a tech manual on it. If I've found a restricted item, I have to transfer knowledge to any potential customer, or give them a sample. This is extra effort, and I feel that setting up trade takes a lot of work as it is.
rob
| QUOTE (Avatar @ Jul 15 2003, 09:56 AM) |
| I don't agree. Restricted items are only known to those who have found them. Now I spend an SA to get the item and you just get a blurb and find the origin. It' s a spoiler |
So you can get the tech manual and find out the planet and system it's from. You don't know the resouce ID to exploit it. You don't know the terrain type to go find it via special action and unless Mica allow a "scan planet for xxx (item yyy) to determine its source" style special actions then it's going to be difficult for anyone else to find and exploit.
How come, does it have a label?
| QUOTE (Avatar @ Jul 15 2003, 04:15 PM) |
| But you get to know where it's from. How come, does it have a label? |
"Made in Taiwan"
:)
| QUOTE (Rob Alexander @ Jul 15 2003, 01:01 PM) |
| "My point is that its hard to sell a restricted item, since prospective buyers can't just get a tech manual on it. " |
If you can't get a tech manual on it, how come two unique items, found on a planet in a DEN restricted system, are now being bought on a non-DEN starbase?
If you can't get the tech manual how did they know the numbers to add them to the market?
Better yet, everybody try a tech manual for Mountain Salmon(30384). That was found in a restricted system.
To add something to your market report, you just need to know the number. You could get this from a market that's selling it, for example. Without the tech manual though, you can't be sure of the price you can sell it for.
rob
| QUOTE (Rob Alexander @ Jul 16 2003, 12:52 PM) |
| Better yet, everybody try a tech manual for Mountain Salmon(30384). That was found in a restricted system. |
Here you go:
>Date 28.3: Tech Manual {30384}
Error - You do not have item 30384 or its blueprint
Information processing charge of 100 stellars
Sorry about the stellars.
rob
As far as I am aware, any origin-specific item from a restricted system _should_ automatically come out as being a restricted information item. I don't think this has worked in all cases, hence the fact that I am buying some items (and have been able to get tech manuals for more) from systems that I don't officially know about or have access to.
Either you know about an item, in which case you can both get a tech manual for it and put it on the market, or you don't know about it, in which case you can't do either (again, this is "as far as I can tell").
Richard
| QUOTE (MasterTrader @ Jul 16 2003, 08:31 PM) |
| In response to Steve's complaints: |
Don't get me wrong, it's not a complaint as such, certainly not a complaint about whoever put in on the market (I'm hoping I've made around 20K stellars selling some of those while my computer has been down
.Just a query really, following up Lee's original observation. But yes you're right, it doesn't seem to be restricting all restricted origin goods.