gordon | |||||||
| Turn Cost £2.3 - 60p Update charge is this a mistake? A charge for the special action + then a charge to get the result of the special action??? It is an outpost. Gord | |||||||
Ro'a-lith | |||||||
Special actions are £1.70. Add 60p for the update printout = £2.30, I guess - I think the 60p update charge is applied regardless. I've certainly been charged it for running a 'free' special action at an outpost before (Built the blasted thing in the wrong place...). | |||||||
Archangel | |||||||
And I got
Clearly this is more just a matter of an incomplete analysis of elemental charges making up the total, coupled with a comment related to one of the charges. It is also clear the "£0.6" portion could also be formatted properly, something like "£0.60", hopefully including in a multiple line case, the columns also line up. Archangel | |||||||
David Bethel | |||||||
If it was only so simple ![]() So yes its wrongly formated but there is a reason (blame dan - he made me do it)
No it just tells you about the update, there was no intension to tell you anything else - i counts down the free updates if you have them.
Updates cost £0.6 unless you have upgraded politicals, only gps and starship are free. | |||||||
Steve-Law | |||||||
I think the question was why was he charged for the update when he was already charged for the Special Action. Essentially there are 2 (or more) tiers of Special Actions costs - £1.70 for ships and starbases, but £2.30 for Outposts (and platforms). God alone knows (well okay, God, Mica and David ![]() Wasn't there some discussion at one point about a reduced output that would show the results of turns/special actions without actually giving a full outpost printout? (Although thinking about it this could also be abused with scanning from platforms/outposts for "free". Maybe Special Action results only (no other information) could be returned for free?) | |||||||
David Bethel | |||||||
Yup and the answer is that updates cost. Its not a mistake and its done because special actions could (and would) be used to get updates for free. Special actions can be done from GPs and Ships for no added cost and so it does not detriment anyone. I know it sounds harsh but basically if there is a possible exploit in the game its approached with the 'would i do it'. Well i would have a big list of ops that needed an update and every time i needed a special done that was not linked to a distant location i'd use one of the outposts. | |||||||
gtdoug | |||||||
What about Starbases??? Do we pay for issuing 'request update' order...? GTDoug. | |||||||
FLZPD | |||||||
I understand the reasoning, but Special Actions done at starbases and from your Political position do not incur an update cost. I can see no logical reason why the paying positions are treated differently. Cant you get a very cut-down outpost print back? ie. besides the SA results, it says nothing more (which is less than you see for free on your political report/online order editor)?? I do SAs from an outpost sometimes, because of where they are. I have found out, though, that you can do the SA from your political "on behalf of" the outpost - you get the same results, but cheaper, so I would suggest using this method to anyone in the same boat Mark | |||||||
David Bethel | |||||||
No - paided updates have only ever applied to outposts and platforms. Starbase/political costs are fixed.
Indeed | |||||||
Paul | |||||||
It does seem a little harsh to be hit for the update fee considering you just paid £1.70. I can't see how this can be viewed as an exploit ... why would you use a more expensive option just to get an update? Seems a little cheeky to me ![]() Doesn't affect me as I have the £4 political. just my opinion ... probably wrong ![]() | |||||||
Steve-Law | |||||||
What David means is that if you were planning to do an SA *anyway* and it could be done at an outpost, it's a way to do the SA *and* get a free update at the same time as a by-product. I say go for a free return of the SA result with no position data included. | |||||||
Duckworth-Lewis | |||||||
I think the point is that if you are making a special action that does not need to be made from a specific location, then a player may decide to use a platform/OP so that they would get the update on the position as a bonus. It's harsh if you need to make an SA that is specific to the position, but if the SA could have been made at by any other position then KJC technically lose the 60p for the update. | |||||||
Andy | |||||||
This was implemented at the begining of the game as players latched onto the idea you could get a free update. We should have to pay for the updates as well as the SA. The alternative would be to receive just the SA results and no outpost update Andy | |||||||
gordon | |||||||
Sometimes it is necessary to do the SA in an outpost. Personally I couldnt care less about the update as long as can see the sa results. If this can be done by doing the SA on my political it is fine with me. I just wondered if it was a bug. We were discussing it on IRC and some people thought it was and some didnt. Why discuss it when you can get the answer right away from KJC. Gord | |||||||
Archangel | |||||||
What is an 'upgraded political'? Is this a reference to the £3/£4 options that are available or do you mean something else? | |||||||
David Bethel | |||||||
yes | |||||||
Steve-Law | |||||||
And no, respectively ![]() | |||||||
Paul | |||||||
I see what you mean now! wow ... people really do that? I agree the best would just to be to send the SA result and no outpost details unless they request update then normal pricing would apply. | |||||||
Archangel | |||||||
Well, the yes and no cleared things up very nicely indeed. Thank goodness they were in order. Thanks to you both. ![]() | |||||||
Archangel | |||||||
David has clearly spent too much time optimizing code and memory consumption. ![]() | |||||||
Andy | |||||||
He means the £3 / £4 version not the bionic man version |