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gtdoug

Hi,

I really like the Online Order Editor... I find it's much easier to use than the offline version.

My favourite bit is the 'Information' tab... great for seeing what's what and what's where.

Here's a suggestion for an improvement...

Add details of your Political position to this...

Mainly to display how many Stellars I control...

but could also be useful to display what 'info' the position knows (eg Starbase locations / item details).

This suggestion is mainly for the Stellars... the other bit is a 'nice-to-have'.

Cheers.

GTDoug.

Mandible

i really think the online order editor is fantastic too - especially, as you say, the Information section. I find it updates before I even get my turns, so for basic things you can see if they've worked or not.

What I would like to see, though, id for GP data to be expanded - it currently just shows location, could it not also show the same detail as the ships (ie the Navigation Report section and the remaining tus).

Mark

HPSimms

I wuld like to see the descrition fields updated when you put in an ID number for items, systems, etc.

Geoff

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And then the current paying political report becomes totally useless

David Bethel

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And then the current paying political report becomes totally useless

Hehe except of course you don't get the information displayed unless you have a political....

Add anything you want in this thread - i will pin it and look through it next time i come around to the order editor.

David Bethel

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I wuld like to see the descrition fields updated when you put in an ID number for items, systems, etc

You should see that sometime this week. (i getting scared of saying things like that - i said it 3 weeks ago about the order editor and then the world exploded and the tiny bit that needed finishing never was)

Rich Farry

How about:

An expandable treeview the top nodes of which are star systems which you have a position in, which expand out to show each position, each of which expand out to give the info currently provided by the online editor.

Colour coding for things like integrity and damage.

gtdoug

Another idea for the 'Information' page.

Either:

1. A list of the 'Pending Orders' for a position (Drop down menu thingy)

or

2. A note to say whether there are any pending orders or not.

Thanks

GTDoug.

David Bethel

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An expandable treeview the top nodes of which are star systems which you have a position in, which expand out to show each position, each of which expand out to give the info currently provided by the online editor.

Done that - will be with you soon. I'll do other stuff at a later point but this one just seemed cool

Andy

So does that mean the dataflow will be 2 way and can be updated on a daily basis?

Mica Goldstone

The data tree has been uploaded and I must admit looks excellent.

There is a minor bug with some of the system names where they are more than one word, but this will be fixed.

Gandolph

yep, just had a look,

now i have a couple of comments, i dont know if they are achievable, or if they are wanted by others, but thought id suggest it.

is there any way of having it in 2 windows, so the information tab is on the left and the turns file on the right, this way, i can look at the location of the ship on the left, and do its turns on the right.

also is there anyway of when we get the ship location, it can bring the system map up of the system also (IE a link) in the left hand panel again so we can see where we are going.

like i say, this may be too much work, but thought id ask

gtdoug

Ack!

Don't like the new 'expandable' star system listing at all...

The information page used to be a single view of all the relevant stuff you needed to do turns when you didn't have the turn file with you (ie when you are at work etc).

Now it's too complicated... You gotta click a link twice to see what you used to be able to see without any clicks!

Doesn't seem like an improvement to me!

It'd be ok if the editor remembered your status between login in sessions (then i could leave all the links fully expanded).

But I much prefered the list of Ground Parties/Outposts/Ships then Starbases. It was easier to read.

GTDoug.

Andy

Cool

Regarding the system map, I'd like to see a button next to each system name that will give the system map on the left hand side with all the planet names / numbers etc. or perhaps a pop up window.

I'd also like to be able to download this into the offline editor as well as download the map information eg planet names / numbers in to the appropriate file for the order editor to accces.

Thanks

Andy

Mica Goldstone

QUOTE (gtdoug @ Jun 16 2004, 02:19 PM)

Ack!

Don't like the new 'expandable' star system listing at all...

There's always one

nortonweb

I like it but can we have a button to open all the branchs please? It makes printing the whole tree quicker ...

cheers

Peter

David Bethel

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Doesn't seem like an improvement to me!

bless

Hard work never goes unpunished.

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But I much prefered the list of Ground Parties/Outposts/Ships then Starbases. It was easier to read.

I'll add options to display it differently.

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Regarding the system map, I'd like to see a button next to each system name

Maybe later.....

David Bethel

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is there any way of having it in 2 windows, so the information tab is on the left and the turns file on the right, this way, i can look at the location of the ship on the left, and do its turns on the right.

There is not really enough space to do that and pop ups are not wonderful. Some sort of location popup might be possible though - a sort of tal thin window...

Sjaak

QUOTE (David Bethel @ Jun 17 2004, 08:46 AM)

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There is not really enough space to do that and pop ups are not wonderful. Some sort of location popup might be possible though - a sort of tal thin window...

One word: Tabbed Browsing...

(actually, its two words!)

David Bethel

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Tabbed Browsing...

Isn't that brower specific ?

David Bethel

There will be a version on soon that allows you to chose how to format the information window
[1] Have flat view of all positions
[2] Sort positions by system
[3] Sort positions Type

You can change this sort type on the Help tab. I'll look into some sort
of docked popup that can spawn a version of this information window.

gtdoug

Woo Hoo!

Choices are good!

Thanks David!

GTDoug.

Mica Goldstone

It's now up and running. Check the Help section to determine which view you want.

Sam_Toridan

Just started playing with this out of idle curiosity. Very much like the expandible information trees - especially as you can now sort by systems or positions.

Is this sort of functionality going to be included in the new order editor?

Steve-Law

Can I make another request.

I like the online order editor a lot, but I still prefer to do most of my turns offline. It would be really helpful if there was an option with the online one to save an assets.cfg of all your positions to save you having to add any new ones manually.

Low priority of course, but maybe scribbled on your "to do" list somewhere...

:)

David Bethel

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I like the online order editor a lot, but I still prefer to do most of my turns offline. It would be really helpful if there was an option with the online one to save an assets.cfg of all your positions to save you having to add any new ones manually

Its clear to me that there has to be a 'link' between the online and offline order editors, both for upload of parsed data and download of up to date files and data. So thats a long term goal.... bvut i would not expect it soon...

Dave

How about a not next to your position name on the information tab to tell you when your last turn was processed just incase it goes AWOL due to email problems.

Dave

Duckworth-Lewis

would it be feasible on the info screen to have an indicator to say whether a ship/gp/operative position has pending orders?

ptb

okay the help option which lets you choose between standard / system / type view for information is broken under firefox (mozilla) and only lets you choose standard, i can't see why it would do this from looking at the code so not sure how easy it would be to fix.

also can 'build complex' and 'scrap complex' orders have dropdown complex lists like the 'activate complex' order does

ptb

The problem is that it's not passing the hidden field to the webserver, adding it to the url works as expected.

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<select size='1' style='width:200px;font-size:10pt' name='InfoSortType' onchange='submit()'>
<option value='0'>Standard</option>
<option selected value='1'>Sorted by System</option>
<option value='2'>Sorted by Type</option>
<input type='hidden' name='Action' value='Change Sort Type'>

The code above shows the current form you have, note that lack of a close tag on the select statement, i would assume this is whats causing the problem. Also technically the input statement should have a /> at the end and not a > but thats only to make it xhtml vaild and won't cause problems with browsers.

CODE

</select>
<input type='hidden' name='Action' value='Change Sort Type' />

The other option is to change the form line from

CODE

to include the action

CODE

I would suggest using 'post' and not 'get' but thats just me being picky.

ptb

And how about a sort by squadron

But don't worry i won't suggest doing the whole thing with a nice thin client page

David Bethel

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The code above shows the current form you have, note that lack of a close tag on the select statement

ok fixed that, not sure then that will arrive on the site.

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also can 'build complex' and 'scrap complex' orders have dropdown complex lists like the 'activate complex' order does

Errm they are not the same - one is type, one is item. I'll have a look to filling the info type for complex items. I have corrected it so that items are catagoried properly as with offline order editor.

David Bethel

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But don't worry i won't suggest doing the whole thing with a nice thin client page

Whats that then ?

ptb

will your at it

the insert production item number could do with a drop down (save me having to look it up)

yer i'm lazy i know

ptb

QUOTE (David Bethel @ Sep 17 2004, 02:40 PM)

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But don't worry i won't suggest doing the whole thing with a nice thin client page

Whats that then ?

The term is from using an ultra lightweight client that lets the server do all the processing and just processes mouse/keyboard updates, which is basicly what a website does anyway.

a thin client webpage looks and feels like an application window, so none of this page refreshing stuff. however in reality they just use script to alter the page content in the background and just hide it from the user.

gmail.google.com is a good example (if you have an account there)

David Bethel

The plan was to make th editor mainly script, but its takes a lot more effort than the way its done presently. So i guess it will be a thin client eventually.

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the insert production item number could do with a drop down

yeah thats the same thing as sorting out the item typed.

ptb

yesterday (and prevousily since i started using the online order editor), 'restricted' items than i knew about came up in the drop down lists. today they don't

just though i'd mention it in case changes were made and you forgot something

David Bethel

Thats a bit wierd as nothing has changed - all chnages i do get implemented in large batches, and thats not until next month

DEN_weenie

I noticed last night that a unique that once dropped down on the online editor was no longer there.

cheers
weenie

ptb

btw the ordereditor looks really good under firefox with the noia theme, the scroll bars have a crystal blue look and it all gels together nicely.

gtdoug

Here's an idea for the Online Order editor:

For the more 'static' positions... (ie Outposts, Platforms, Operatives)

A note on the information tab showing the date you last had an update printout.

Be that Phoenix time or Earth time - not sure which is most handy.

This would allow me to realise when i last looked in detail at outposts and platforms and things etc. And request updates / issue orders as appropriate!

GTDoug.

Mandible

Really like the order editor - it just gets better and better

Can you tell me what the new options on the Info Selection menu are? Mostly, the "New Players" option - are these new to my affiliation, new to the game, or something else? What are all the options they have keyed in (Exploration:Minerals, Interested, etc)?

Cheers

mark

David Bethel

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are these new to my affiliation, new to the game, or something else?

They are everyone that is new to the game - anyone with the recruitment political right can use this option to contact new players. Thats currently means all PD but that can be transfered on.

Its a bit first pass at the moment, but i have more plans for it.

ptb

can we get "sorted by squadron" too?

ptb

QUOTE (ptb @ Jan 5 2005, 09:29 AM)

can we get "sorted by squadron" too?

I'll like a grouped by squadron option too

(okay so i'm just bumping the post... but ask larry or doug i always hassle people)

gtdoug

QUOTE (ptb @ Mar 2 2005, 01:24 PM)

(okay so i'm just bumping the post... but ask larry or doug i always hassle people)

Yes...

he does...

very annoying...

GTDoug.