We do not like this as it means that platforms with low efficiency will fire everything and may miss with everything.
We will change this so that efficiency determines the percentage of weapons fired at full accuracy instead.
Therefore 50% efficiency means 50% of the weapons will be operational but will at least fire at full accuracy.
This change will come in ASAP.
I assume that if you need 1000 crew factors and only have 500, not only will you only fire half the weapons but that only half the sensors will be used to detect it and only half the target computers to help it hit?
Cheers
Jons - SMS
The current formula assumes that if only 50% of the required man-hours are available, all items will function at 50% efficiency. I agree with Mica that this does not make sense all of the time.
However, any change would have to assign man-hours to individual items. Fewer people can not only operate fewer weapons, they will also have fewer sensors and targeting computers available. The difference is that losing 50% battle computers and sensors will cut targeting accuracy by, say, 10%, but not by 50%.
I know that there must be a thread on this somewhere but I haven't found it. My understanding is that torpedos will automatically miss a target ship if that target has a faster combat speed than the shooter....Is this true?
Second: I've heard different stories on missles. First: Missle firing ships will have a much worse chance of hitting a target ship if the target is faster than the shooter.
Second: The missle firing ship does not take it's own combat speed into consideration. It only takes the normal firing modifiers (targetting bonus from computers, weapons etc minus the dodge of the target ship)
Which if either are correct?
Goth
Missiles like any other weapon are affected by the dodge bonus of the target ship. So the first statement is partly correct. However it is dodge that is important not combat speed. Dodge is calculated from combat speed but dodge also includes oficer experience and special items such as Inertia Dampners.
Space fighters are the only weapon system that does not take the combat speed of the firing ship as part of the equation.
| QUOTE (Romanov @ May 26 2005, 02:42 PM) |
| Missiles like any other weapon are affected by the dodge bonus of the target ship. So the first statement is partly correct. However it is dodge that is important not combat speed. Dodge is calculated from combat speed but dodge also includes oficer experience and special items such as Inertia Dampners. Space fighters are the only weapon system that does not take the combat speed of the firing ship as part of the equation. |
Just so I am clear on the firing of missles (or any weapons other than space fighters and torpedos):
When I shoot at a given target, I have a better chance to hit it if my ship is fast?
Lets say that a target ship has a dodge rating of 6 (in the ship editor)
If I have 2 ships firing at that ship and everything about the shooters is the same except that one of the shooters has a dodge of 1 and the other has a dodge of 5 and they are firing missles, you are saying that the ship with the dodge of 5 has a better chance of hitting the target?
(this would be counter intuitive to the dodge penalty that ships with high dodge ratings get when shooting at their targets).
I would think that a stationary shooter would have an easier time locking on to an enemy ship than one that has to calculate it's own movement into the firing solution....
Goth
the only thing that is effected in a big way is torpedos where you need to be within 1 combat speed of the enemy position to be able to hit it, any more and you get the big negative.
IE
your own base accuracy, + the accuracy of the weapon + the silouette of the enemy position, minus the dodge of the enemy positoion gives you the targetting total
| QUOTE (Gandolph @ May 26 2005, 08:03 PM) |
| your own base accuracy, + the accuracy of the weapon + the silouette of the enemy position, minus the dodge of the enemy position gives you the targetting total |
Don't forget to take any specific targetting into account (at various minuses).
To take an analogy of a 'space invader' type game, when any one missile needs to be dodged it can be achieved quite easily, but when many are fired at you it means that you can accidently his one, while trying to avoid one of the others?
So the more missiles fired simultaneosly, the lower the practicality of a dodge score becomes against any single missile?
| QUOTE (Frabby @ Mar 19 2004, 01:23 PM) |
| However, any change would have to assign man-hours to individual items. Fewer people can not only operate fewer weapons, they will also have fewer sensors and targeting computers available. The difference is that losing 50% battle computers and sensors will cut targeting accuracy by, say, 10%, but not by 50%. |
That's a good point.
Maybe it would be better - or an option? - to assign 100% efficiency to targetting/sensors etc (do speed and dodge etc count in here as well (do they need crew factors)?) and then apply whatever crew factors are left to the weapons (firing as many weapons as possible at 100% with the crew factors left).
A rough example (numbers not looked up just made up for purposes of illustration).
200 crew factors available.
Targetting, sensors, engines whatever "vital" equipment take 100 crew factors.
That leaves 100 crew factors to fire weapons. 100% of all weapons would need 200 crew factors in total, so you fire 50% of weapons at 100%. (that's 50% of each weapons type)
| QUOTE (Steve-Law @ May 27 2005, 08:57 AM) |
| Maybe it would be better - or an option? - to assign 100% efficiency to targetting/sensors etc (do speed and dodge etc count in here as well (do they need crew factors)?) |
I would have thought they only need the crew factors as applied to engines/thrusters.
| QUOTE (Steve-Law) |
| and then apply whatever crew factors are left to the weapons (firing as many weapons as possible at 100% with the crew factors left). |
Makes sense to me, assuming priorities are to give your few manned weapons the best chance to hit, of course you might decide to do it the other way around but then you have issues with the ship dodging slower as well as weapons having lower accuracy.
| QUOTE (ptb @ May 27 2005, 09:24 AM) | ||
Makes sense to me, assuming priorities are to give your few manned weapons the best chance to hit, of course you might decide to do it the other way around but then you have issues with the ship dodging slower as well as weapons having lower accuracy. |
Quite, so the way I would see it working is you set a priority list between:
Targetting
Movement
Weapons
(possibly involving subcategories, but better to keep it simple( r ) as possible, possibly separate weapons and point defence though?)
Higher priority takes crew factors first with left over factors passed down the list.
Yes it's a bit more complication, but if we decide on the "best" default, it's an optional setting that gives more tactical control to those who want it, while still giving better "realism" to those that don't.