Yes that was the intention but i am not sure it was correct. Could flag if you have been in a battle and then not allow new ships to attack you in the leaving battle.

If they have you as a locked taget at the end of the battle then they will shot at you when you leave.

This is down to ships turning up and attacking. I will change that to only occur if you are not in a battle.

They could - now ppl who leave get battered. Its simple and it makes more sence.

right so if it is down to if they have you locked, then surely whats the use of combat speed to get out of battles?

i was faster, but he is targetting me therefore he can shoot at me next day?

this some how doesnt sound right, can you clarify further please, here are the details that i received on my ship battle report

IMP Sutterton Drove (99884) - Ship
Imp Pc Escort Class Carrier {Medium Ablative Armour}
Armour: 66.7 Scints: 19.8
Hull Damage: 15.1%
Targeted by CNF Confed's Revenge (74897) - 1119 [3015] Damage
Targeted by CNF Battle of Bull Run (45426) - 600 [1110] Damage
Attacking CNF Battle of Bull Run (45426) - 1252 [1865] Damage

there is nothing to indicate that it is unable to leave combat, now if your saying a ship that has a combat speed that is far faster than the 2 ships attacking me is going to be held into the leave combat battle, then this is nothing like what i was reading how it would change, and i need to be ripping out my engines asap.

That changes the number of round that they are allowed to fire at you but they still get to shoot. We will change the leave battle flag so that new positions don't get a shot at you BUT existing ships in the battle do.

I you are targeted by anything in a battle, you can leave but have to suffer a 'leaving combat battle'. It does not matter what the position is, even a SB.

If the ship got missiles weapons and the starbase only beam weapons, will it still be shot at (by the starbase ofcourse)...

This is very differnt to how i understood it from the explainations in the whats going to change threads.

I was under the impression the leaving battle extra rounds of damage only appiled where the ship would have been pinned before, not just targetted.

It shouldn't do, as this is a seperate LOS issue.

Then how would that tie in with the complete removal of pinning. I would be happy to change the number of rounds you are targeted when you are leaving combat but you will always be targeted. So perhaps if you are faster than the enemy then you should only take 1 round of combat ? (similar to fleeing in a standard battle)

Combat
Pinning has been removed.

If a ship is in combat it is in range of the enemy – pretty bloody obvious really!

Even faster ships will still be in range at the point they are initiating their retreat from battle – again, bit of a no-brainer.

The amount of time they are still in range is based on the relative speeds of the retreating position and the positions targeting it. This will correspond to the amount of rounds the targeting ship will be able to fire at them while they stabilise their ISR field/evade pursuit etc.

Retreating position is much faster – short time – 1 round

Retreating position slower – long time – 4 rounds

as per what sjaak stated, depends what your firing, pretty bloody obvious really.

if your firing space fighters and hes firing photon weapons from a starbase then he cant be in contact round 4 ----No brainer really.

thats my correspondance finsihed on this course of action, thank you

any ship launching space fighters must also collect them again during round 4 so how can this ship be out of combat range?


Thomas

Picking up SF round four - still in combat therefore still in range.
This has always been the case, nothing has changed.

There is LOS, but this is a different aspect of combat and only applies to starbases (not platforms).

There appears to be confusion between LOS dictating what can be fired and relative speeds for leaving combat which determines how often it can be fired.

If you are fleeing a starbase or platform and it only has SF, then as you can leave after 1 round, you will have left before the launched fighters can reach you.

We are sorting something out to ensure that ships turning up the day after will not be involved in shooting at retreating ships.

In fact, any position turning up on the same day that a position leaves will not engage the leaving ship.

If you turn up at a location where a position, you will be stopped for battle (as always) but there will be no battle and the report will read:

-- turn stopped for battle --

-- target left before in range --

The reason for this is that we perceived a possible exploit where you would send a decoy to a location and your main fleet to the location of the enemy fleet the day after. The enemy fleet would then be peppered as it moved off by your free attacks. This we felt was an exploit of a game mechanic as engaging the incoming fleet is a decision that should be taken by the players not a pre-programmed routine.
There were also a few other nefarious exploits, so we felt that only those in battle should get their kick in as the enemy buggered off.

Yes, this does mean that if you move your ships every single day, somebody turning up where they were the day before will never be able to attack them. This said, they will still be able to board them as this is instantaneous. While an obvious flaw in the logic, we feel that this is an acceptible game mechanic - and it favours pirates

So you don't want to discuss what is the best course of action ? As far as i am awair the best way to convince me that something is wrong is by reasoned arguement. Saying something is totally illogical, without why does not help. I always listen to what is said, when its constructive, even when its anoying. I don't go out of my way to say, 'XXXX made me do this' but in the end if someone say something that makes sence, thats what happens.

Its wrong. When i write these things there are never right, the ramifications are too wide ranging - they need feedback, and nothing was said about this section before the release because it was simply misunderstud.

So better to look at it from a fleeing point of view.
If the esacping ship is faster than its attackers then it gets 1 round on combat. If it is slower than its attackers it gets 4 rounds of combat. Both of these are then modified by the number of targets being attacked.

If the attacker is a starbase or platform i am not sure ? Maybe just 1 round of combat no matter what ? Or maybe only the platform gets to do anything, i am not sure.

i appreciate that, but dont take kindly to being called brain dead (no brainer, pretty bloody obvious, on a quote return ),

so wont comment further on the issue, as my lust for getting involved diminishes somewhat in factual argument, as would yours.

hence my speedy and inaccurate reply, which i appreciate should have been left for a few hours to gain composure its a good job he wasnt stood in front of me when he said it

Just to clarify a few things -

Will it be 1 or 4 rounds of combat? Or could it be 2 or 3 dependent on the speed difference (ie; if the fleeing ship only has a marginal lead in speed it could be 3 rounds).

Similarly are the speeds of the ships recalced each round in case a few engines have been knocked out?

Are the modifiers recalced each round - ie a ship leaves battle after round 1, so a second, slower, ship that was also being targeted gets hit by more ships.

We could go for:
0-50% speed is 4 rounds
50-75% speed is 3 rounds
75-100% speed is 2 rounds
100%+ speed is 1 rounds
or something similar

To make it simple, ships with multiple targets only get to fire 1 round with a proportion of there weapons

Starbases don't get to fire, platforms get 1 round with a proportion of there weapons against their target.

no

no - the number of rounds will be worked out and if you get out then thats that.

I like the speed %ages, they look reasonable.


Regarding ships with multiple targets, platforms and starbases:

I think that ships with multiple targets should choose 1 fleeing target and shoot full weapons (not only proportion of weapons) for the speed %tage amount of rounds at it. They basically have to choose one target and chase it, why would they not be able to fire all weapons for fully amountof rounds if they do so?

Starbases and Platforms should be able to fire 1 free round at all thier targets with the normal payload per battery (full weapons / targets).


If the 'penalty' for fleeing is too little then this removes many tactical aspects of it.


Thomas

You got that right

Gord

Looks reasonable to me. One final point. If a ship is targeted by multiple enemy ships (say 2 slower and 1 faster) then the faster will fire 2-4 rounds and the 2 slower ships will fire 1 round.

Nik