That way all affiliation ships could use active enemylists, regardless of rank, when in an official war with another affiliation.
As it is now, only Admirals really can use active enemy lists. I can see times when you'd want a smaller ship to initiate combat, but who'd want to spend 15000 stellars on a ship captain who'd die anyways.
Also, some people seem to play this as a wargame. Ask the people who feel trade is dull ... or exploration useless (which it basically is unless you have a base to support). Ask the people who are participating in some of the on-going scenarios ...that involve quite a bit of fighting
"Your suggestion would simplify all-out warfare, or rather, make it a lot cheaper, but it does not add something to the game that wasn't there before. Remember, Phoenix is not supposed to be a wargame. "
A "declaration of war" doesnot add something to the game that was not there before ... also true. It does, however, bring back something to the game which has been taken out. In BSE you made an official delaration of war and then everyone could add the enemy to their active enemy list. Why was that removed?
And why do you need the "ally with affiliation" order? That surely doesnt add anything to the game either.
I'd like to have the order as an option, even if you disagree. I am sure that there are more people out there who agree, and probably even more who dont care. Same way I feel about some of the "trade options" in the game.
I also believe that being allied to another aff, should allow some flexibility in the combat aspects as well. These days one needs a certain rank to defend support another aff, but a lowly Invader captain, seeing an ally freighter being ripped appart by a 50 hulled destroyer, should be allowed to defend his ally, even without having to be promoted a few ladders up the military rank.
I've said this before, but think that officer ranks, should give some combat bonus, defensive, whatever, but be a result of their serving caeer, not some newby captain, suddenly made Admiral without even having seen combat one.
This only helps wealthy affs! Though I realize major affs will have more bonus giving officers, we can also create a player cap for instance to keep "mythical" heroes down to a manageable size.
Also I don't really mind my living ships having ranks:) Could living ships be their own officers?
It is perfectly possible to wage all out wars, it's just costly (for all the ranks) and the affiliation has some control over its members through ranks.
I find nothing wrong with that. And we are not talking about bringing something back to the game either, because BSE declarations of war were scrapped in favour of a posting system very similar to what we now have in Phoenix. You were never allowed to pick fights as easily as under the current rules.
Besides, you are not exactly doing that poor Courier captain a favour if you allow him to attack enemy warships at whim. If you want your newbie players to participate in wars, give them warships. Most will have a startup broadsword which is perfect to make a few first mistakes.
If a newbie, uses his 10 hulled ship, to attack an ARC ship, well...but he couldn't have if aff government hadn't allowed it and had ARC declared as enemy from the beggining.
And what about the ally strcuture? Any comments Frabby?
im not saying an admiral, but it would then give that player a small amount of flexibility
or even more simply, the new players just convert their new Broadsword to pirate, that way you will get valuable battle lessons at no cost to the affiliation, and give me something to shoot at
rob
but then again you would think those affiliations would struggle wouldnt you
| QUOTE (Frabby @ Dec 2 2003, 06:04 PM) |
| I hate to sound negative, but the ship ranks and the existing limitations to enemy list settings are there precisely to keep inexperienced gung-ho starcaptains from dragging their affiliation into wars. ....... Besides, you are not exactly doing that poor Courier captain a favour if you allow him to attack enemy warships at whim. If you want your newbie players to participate in wars, give them warships. Most will have a startup broadsword which is perfect to make a few first mistakes. |
Newbies can't drag the affiliation into war ... the declaration of war would already have done that ... and the declaration would have come from being an affiliation issue like everything else.
Newbies only have the Broadsword if he has a Political.
I wouldn't do the poor courier captain a favour either by being at war with anyone
but sometimes it just cant be helped. If he gets his Courier destroyed .... well they are a dime a dozen 
However, the point with the whole thing was that it would permit everyone to have active enemy lists assuming a declaration of war was issued.
Richard
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Therefore. Why the hell would an admiral be placed in a ship that isn't expected to survive combat? Equally why should there be loads of admirals around? The truth is in battle one person is the leader and even allies (not part of the same army) follows the commander of that leader.
I currently see nothing wrong with ranks. If something wants to be sorted, then get the defend/support/enemy lists fixed. At present they let down the combat system badly. Also if you cannot afford to promote a ship to admiral, then you cannot afford to get involved in combat. War is expensive.
So I say. Let those that want to start fights pay the cost of having admirals. The rest of us can happily not bother.
Gareth aka Dr. Talain D'aygart Office of Internal Affairs SMS Vice-PD